An Open Letter to LVMPD Sheriff Doug Gillespie From Stanley Gibson’s Widow

Kelly W. Patterson shared this open letter, written by Rondha Gibson and originally published by Nevada Cop Block, via CopBlock.org’s submit page.

Doug Gillespie,

Two years ago today, Stanley Gibson was murdered by Ofc. Jesus Arevalo of the LVMPD

Two years ago today, Stanley Gibson was murdered by Ofc. Jesus Arevalo of the LVMPD

I know your name. It’s a name I will never forget, along with Jesus Avalero. My name is Rondha Gibson. I’m sure you remember my name too, but do you remember what today’s date represents? For me, it’s something else I can never, ever forget.

Today marks two years since Stanley Gibson was shot and killed while sitting unarmed and incapacitated in his car on December 12, 2011.

He was my husband and he was murdered by Officer Jesus Avalero, who you once called dependable and stated you would stand behind. Fortunately, two years later your opinion about that has seemingly changed. Now you say he is responsible for my husband’s death, although you still refuse to call it murder. While you finally had the decency to at least fire him, you still haven’t held him accountable for his actions that day in any legal manner.

Essentially, his “punishment” for shooting my husband, who was both unarmed and innocent, is to have to find another job (after having spent slightly less than two years sitting at home collecting a full paycheck). I don’t doubt that he will cash in on some connections he made while with Metro to get some cushy security job or something such as that. That’s not a true punishment, it’s an inconvenience.

Meanwhile, the last 24 months of my life have been nothing but hell. While Jesus Arevalo was on paid vacation (AKA “administrative leave”), I was struggling just to pay my rent and other bills. In all that time, I’ve hardly even really had a chance to grieve for my murdered husband amidst all calls from collection agencies wanting me to pay for Stanley’s funeral, which I couldn’t even afford.

You once claimed at the inquest that you were in contact with me everyday and that you publicly apologized to me, calling Stan’s death a mistake. Even that’s a lie. We never even talked until after that inquest and that only happened because Steve Sanson of VIPI asked you to come and talk to me. That was the first and only time we ever spoke and the apology you gave then was not worth the breath it took to deliver the fake sentiments it represented.

In the 24 months since Stanley was taken from me by Jesus Arevalo and the culture of lawlessness that you continue to enable within Metro by refusing to hold anyone accountable for their actions, no matter how heinous, I had only two requests for you:

That Stan’s medals and other personal belongings from that day be returned to me.
And that someone be held accountable for his murder.

Finally, his medals came home after a lot of unnecessary stalling, but still nobody has actually been held accountable for Stanley’s murder. Simply being fired isn’t punishment enough for taking the life of another person. I will not just be standing back and accepting that, either. My third demand is your immediate resignation as sheriff and I will renew that demand for every one of your successors until they create true accountability within the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.

No more members of this community should have to walk around in fear that they will be shot down in cold blood by cops, who know they have no chance of being punished for their actions. No more families should have to deal with the loss of loved ones and the knowledge that accountability is not even an option for Las Vegas area cops, as I and way too many other have had to. I will not rest until genuine changes are made.

I am Rondha Gibson, widow of Stanley L Gibson, a Disabled Veteran murdered by LVMPD Ofc. Jesus Arevalo. I was victimized by members of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, but I am finished being a victim.

Rondha G.
NEVER FORGET STANLEY L. GIBSON

 

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61 Responses to “An Open Letter to LVMPD Sheriff Doug Gillespie From Stanley Gibson’s Widow”

  1. larry December 13, 2013 at 9:51 pm #

    People are really getting tired of this kind of shit too.

  2. larry December 13, 2013 at 9:51 pm #

    Oh yea. FIRST!

  3. John Q Public December 14, 2013 at 11:14 am #

    LAS VEGAS (AP) –
    Las Vegas police have agreed to pay a $1.5 million settlement to the widow of an unarmed Gulf War veteran who was fatally shot in a vehicle at a northwest Las Vegas apartment complex in December 2011.

    The department’s fiscal affairs committee approved the payment Monday for Rondha Gibson and cleared the way for her to drop her federal lawsuit against the sheriff and four other officers.

    Police took an extraordinary step earlier this month in firing Officer Jesus Arevalo, who shot Stanley Gibson during the chaotic scene Dec. 12, 2011.

    Gibson remained locked in his car despite police commands to surrender, spinning the tires in billows of acrid blue smoke.

    Arevalo’s dismissal is believed to be the first for the department in an on-duty shooting.

    http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/23808490/police-to-pay-15m-settlement-in-stanley-gibson-shooting

  4. t December 14, 2013 at 2:05 pm #

    Well…..hmmm.

    Tough call. Sounds like the Chief needs to get a spine.

  5. Ghost December 14, 2013 at 4:11 pm #

    t

    You are the perfect example of why this site is in place. Thank you for your pertinent comment.

  6. Alvin December 14, 2013 at 5:41 pm #

    What amazes me is that mrs. Gibson expected anything other than what happened from a govt. agency.

  7. t December 14, 2013 at 5:47 pm #

    ghost: Either the officer did something wrong…and should be charged, OR he didn’t and there shouldn’t have been repercussions. The Chief took a very strange course of action IF he fired the officer because of this action.

  8. steve December 15, 2013 at 1:09 pm #

    The chief is trying to avoid a lawsuit that could break some pockets and end his career.That’s all there is to firing that trigger happy freak.

  9. John Q Public December 15, 2013 at 3:14 pm #

    steve, you do realize the city paid her 1.5 million. So its too late for that.

  10. steve December 15, 2013 at 3:21 pm #

    JQP , you mean they fired the cop after the settlement was made.

  11. certain December 15, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

    No, t, he murdered the guy in cold blood. Then couldn’t explain how his AR had mysteriously triggered itself and pumped 3 rounds into the guys back. Any non-cop who did the same would at least be charged, in not convicted. Your “if he did something wrong” argument would only apply if the system wasn’t fucked up and broken. People get charged who shouldn’t, and other (cops) people absolutely get a free pass when they should do 10 years or more.

  12. certain December 15, 2013 at 4:06 pm #

    *if

  13. certain December 15, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

    And I’m sure I can reference several stories here in which chiefs were quoted as saying cops were huge piles of shit, but union rules and arbitration prevented them from firing them. I suppose they were all spineless as well, huh?

  14. Shawn December 15, 2013 at 4:25 pm #

    @t

    “ghost: Either the officer did something wrong…and should be charged, OR he didn’t and there shouldn’t have been repercussions”

    Cops do this crap all the time and walk. We’re lucky to get a murdering cop out of a job. I’ve given you numberous examples of cops shooting people out of negligence or uncontrolled and unreasoned fear.

    The one were a swat cop shot a dog, and another panicked and sprayed the wall, killing a teen girl on the other side.
    The cop who shot a store clerk that ran into him fleeing for his life.
    The cop who shot a teen at a club for simply walking up to him to tell him he was arresting the wrong person.
    Again and again, and they all have one thing in common. The system chose not to prosecute them for their crimes, or pursued as little as possible.

    Even if you don’t care about the innocents cops kill, and I don’t believe you do, one would think you understood the need for public confidence in police competency and willingness to control their own. As a cop here had said, there is a reason so many people rooted for Dorner, and your attitude and the actions of these cops have a lot to do with it.

  15. t December 15, 2013 at 6:54 pm #

    Shawn & certain:
    You guys get dumber all the time

    After 2 years of lots of folks looking at it…. They couldn’t indicted or charge him?
    Remember that the scale works for him too. PC to charge is a low standard and they couldn’t even get to that? The DA’s office may have looked at and figured that while there may be PC to charge….there just isn’t enough to get to BRD. Different standards.

    But what’s worse is your absolute inabity to understand my comment I didn’t even come close to defending this guy or his actions. But IF he committed a crime…. Why wasn’t he charged. Or IF he violated a department policy by his actions, why wasn’t he fired 2 years ago?
    The chief. Weds to grow a pair either way. Now I hope the guy sues the city for wrongful termination (depending on what they say he was fired for) and wins big.

  16. Common Sense December 15, 2013 at 7:23 pm #

    .lasvegassun.com/news/2013/mar/07/tragedy-stanley-gibsons-death-actually-began-days-/

    The case was put before a grand jury, who declined to issue an indictment.

  17. Shawn December 15, 2013 at 7:38 pm #

    @t

    ” But IF he committed a crime…. Why wasn’t he charged.”

    And you are a bigger liar all the time. He wasn’t charged because he is a cop. Like so many others. You’ve even claimed bad badges yourself that you thought should have been charged, but only were fired.
    Hell, a week or so ago there was an article about a judge that denied a plea deal he said was ridiculous. A police officer did a hit and run, lots of evidence, and the deal was for a couple of minor misdemeanors. The judge had to tell the DA to do his damn job.

    All it takes, and we see it happening, is a system that simply chooses to not pursue a cop for his crimes. If they can’t just ignore it, then they way undercharge it and don’t even pursue punishment aggressively.
    All the time, from people from several walks of life and few are criminals, I hear people comment on how cops get away with shit. The whole country knows the game is rigged. So either you are lying and know this is true, or you’re dumb as dirt and can’t see the truth.

  18. John Q Public December 15, 2013 at 10:03 pm #

    Reading accounts and watching the video of last week’s public fact-finding panel on the Metro shooting of Stanley Gibson was like being in a helicopter and hovering above an intersection — watching a brutal car accident while being helpless to do anything about it.

    I’m not even talking about the actual shooting of Gibson, during which a botched plan to remove the unarmed, mentally ill Army veteran from a car wound up with him being shot seven times and killed by a Metro officer.

    I was just as struck by the series of events in the 48 hours before the shooting, when Gibson, who was apparently experiencing a severe psychiatric episode, repeatedly came into contact with law enforcement and the health care system.

    Flashing red lights should have prompted someone to secure his safety, and the safety of all of us, but the warning signals were unseen or perhaps ignored.

    It reminds me of those government reports in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, when various agencies knew bits and pieces but no one put the whole puzzle together.

    Let’s review what happened, as testified in detail last week by Metro Detective Clifford Mogg, the lead investigator of the incident.

    On Dec. 10, 2011, police arrested Gibson — who had been diagnosed by the Department of Veteran Affairs with anxiety and depression and had been out of some medication and not taking others — after he lunged at an officer responding to a 911 call placed from his apartment, Entrata Di Paradiso, on North Rainbow Boulevard. Gibson was taken to the city jail, where the officers told the booking officer that Gibson needed to receive a psychiatric evaluation.

    The nurse at the jail filled out a form, and under “Treatment plan” wrote, “Psychiatric evaluation.”

    Except there was no psychiatric evaluation because he was released. Mogg explained that as part of a “depopulation program,” the detention center finds candidates to release on their own recognizance to relieve jail overcrowding, and Gibson fit the bill.

    A Metro spokesman, citing ongoing litigation, said he could not comment.

    After Gibson was released, he went to the Golden Nugget, where he grabbed some chips off a table and ordered to be dealt in. A Gaming Control officer was called. Gibson apparently had a rambling, nonsensical conversation with him. The officer cited Gibson for petty theft and released him.

    The following morning, just after 8:30 a.m. Dec. 11, Gibson was wandering on foot in and out of traffic around Vegas Drive and Jones Boulevard.

    An officer who responded had been one of the very same officers who had dealt with Gibson the night before.

    Mogg said the officer “was surprised because it was his understanding, he told correctional officers that (Gibson) needed a psychiatric evaluation prior to being released.”

    The officer determined that Gibson was “not lucid” and “not in touch with reality.” The officer began the process of what’s called a “Legal 2000,” in which someone who is a threat to himself or others can be detained.

    “The officer felt Mr. Gibson was not of a mental status where he could adequately ensure his own safety and was actually a danger to himself,” Mogg reported.

    Gibson was taken by ambulance to MountainView Hospital. Paramedics noted his history of anxiety, depression, suicide attempts and post traumatic stress.

    He told paramedics he just wanted to get out of the cold and was not feeling suicidal.

    He was admitted at 9:23. He briefly saw a physician, reported his history of mental illness and desire to get out of the cold and was released at 9:45, 22 minutes after admission.

    A MountainView spokeswoman she said she could not provide any additional information. (Federal patient privacy laws continue after the patient’s death.)

    According to Mogg, Gibson called 911 two more times that day, first complaining of chest pains and telling paramedics he was out of his anti-anxiety medication but then refusing service. After a second call in the early evening, he again declined treatment from paramedics, this time driving away in his own white Cadillac.

    Gibson’s wife, Rondha, thinking Stanley had been taken by ambulance to University Medical Center, went there to find him. Not finding him there, she called Metro and reported her concerns about his erratic behavior. An officer spent time with Rondha Gibson. After consulting with a supervisor, he did not file a missing person’s report because Stanley Gibson had been calling Rondha that day (though always abruptly hanging up) and wasn’t considered a suicide threat or a threat to anyone else.

    Here’s Mogg: “So at this point there was nothing put in to the Metro system that would flag Mr. Gibson or the Cadillac as being involved in these erratic acts that had occurred earlier in the afternoon.”

    More 911 calls came — this time from residents in the Alondra Condominiums south of Gibson’s apartment. A caller reported a white Cadillac rammed its way through an emergency gate. Next, a woman reported an attempted burglary at her unit, with the suspect fleeing in a white Cadillac. Gibson was likely confused and lost.

    As police responded to the burglary call, motorists were making 911 calls to report a white Cadillac driving east in the westbound lanes of Lake Mead Boulevard.

    A short time later, the white Cadillac returned to the Alondra Condominiums. Patrol officers strategically blocked in the vehicle, and the rest is well known. Gibson wound up dead.

    Of course, it’s easy to second-guess police and health care providers, who are already operating in the most challenging situation imaginable.

    That’s not my intention.

    But I think this story is worth our attention because it illustrates, with clarity, how broken our mental health care delivery system is.

    It is underfunded and in disarray.

  19. John Q Public December 15, 2013 at 10:04 pm #

    A Clark County grand jury decided Wednesday not to indict Metro Police officer Jesus Arevalo for his involvement in the December 2011 fatal shooting of a Las Vegas man, according to a police union statement.

    Stanley Gibson, a 43-year-old Gulf War veteran, was shot and killed by Arevalo on Dec. 12, 2011, after several officers responded to a burglary call at a condominium complex. Gibson, who was unarmed at the time, was said to be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, his wife said.

    In October, the Clark County district attorney convened a grand jury to hear Arevalo’s case and potentially decide whether criminal charges were warranted. Grand jury proceedings are closed to the public and only become part of the public record if an indictment is returned.

    Las Vegas Police Protective Association Executive Director Chris Collins said he was relieved but not surprised the grand jury did not indict Arevalo.

    “We have maintained since (the night of the shooting) that the shooting was not criminal,” Collins said.

    Collins called the shooting a tragedy and said mistakes were made by officers, but because there was no intent, he said the shooting was not criminal.

    “You must have intent to commit a crime. There was no intent … It was police officers who were doing their job and a chain of events took place that led to (Gibson’s) death,” Collins said.

    Gibson was shot after police responded to a burglary call at a northwest valley condominium near Smoke Ranch Road and Rainbow Boulevard.

    After being approached by police, Gibson, who was allegedly disoriented and distraught, refused to surrender and allegedly rammed his white Cadillac into a patrol car, according to police records.

    Officers used two patrol cars to box in Gibson’s car, pinning him there for more than an hour. When Gibson continued to try and drive away and ignored police orders, officers developed a plan to use a beanbag round fired from a shotgun to break a window on Gibson’s car and then fill the cabin with pepper spray, forcing him out.

    When the beanbag round was fired, Arevalo fired seven live rounds from his rifle, striking and killing Gibson.

    Attorney Andre Lagomarsino, who is representing Stanley Gibson’s mother Celeste in a civil suit against Metro, Arevalo and two other officers, said it was hard to comment on the grand jury’s finding because there was no way of knowing what evidence was presented.

    “We don’t know what was or wasn’t presented to the grand jury,” he said. “I think that having the grand jury in secret only served to increase the outrage of the public and its interest in knowing what went on (that night).”

    Lagomarsino said the evidence he’s seen shows that police had Gibson surrounded and that he posed no threat to the officers or anyone else.

    “From what we’ve learned so far, there is absolutely no justification to kill Stanley Gibson inside of 30 minutes from when they stopped him,” Lagomarsino said.

    Clark County District Attorney Steve Wolfson, who brought the case to seek a criminal indictment, will not comment on the grand jury’s actions, according to a spokeswoman.

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/dec/19/grand-jury-refuses-indict-cop-who-killed-unarmed-v/

  20. certain December 15, 2013 at 11:20 pm #

    He wasn’t indicted by a secret grand jury. With nobody knowing what evidence was presented to the grand jury. Fuckwad. What the fuck is that proof of? Other than more of the corruption you always say isn’t shown anywhere. And I may be getting dumber, but you couldn’t get any stupider, you freaking moron. That would call for some kind of negative stupidity, because you’re at the freaking rock bottom of that particular well.

    And notice, it wasn’t the cops claiming he did no wrong, it was the union rep. LOL. One of those unions that can’t exist. And why don’t you read up a bit more about that particular cop. He’ll have a fun time trying to sue anybody for wrongful termination, big of a scumbag as he is.

    And @JQP. Cops (for the most part)don’t operate in a stressful environment anymore. When they’re allowed to shoot and kill anybody, at any real or imagined threat to there well being, where’s the stress? Sure, once in a great while they have to deal with somebody on the street who would actually cause fear, but so does everybody else on the street. It’s not like bad guys only hurt or kill cops. Except everybody else doesn’t get the same get-out-of-jail free card that cops do in attempting to defend themselves. If I ever shot 60 rounds at a truck because I thought they were somebody else, when they had not even made a single threatening move towards me, I’d be arrested and convicted of assault with a deadly weapon at the least, and more probably attempted murder. Cops did it in Torrance and didn’t even get a ticket.

  21. t December 16, 2013 at 6:18 am #

    “secret grandad jury”

    You 2 guys are really being let down by your tv learning.

    Too funny

  22. Common Sense December 16, 2013 at 8:41 am #

    The grand jury is between 16-24. If the prosecutor cannot convince 12 to indict, then they will not proceed.

    The Lt who showed up and changed the plan, was demoted from Lt back to “officer” and all other officers involved here disciplined at some form. From what the article stated, it was the first time that discipline was handed down for an OIS in Metro history.

  23. Shawn December 16, 2013 at 1:10 pm #

    @Common

    First you need a prosecutor interested in doing his job, or does the concept of throwing the game escape you.
    As i said earlier, a judge had to tell a DA no to a deal that was rediculous.

  24. Shawn December 16, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

    @JQP

    ” Of course, it’s easy to second-guess police and health
    care providers, who are already operating in the most
    challenging situation imaginable.”

    That argument only goes so far. One, most challenging situation imaginable is an exageration. And everyone else from President to burger flipper lives with others second guessing our decissions. Why should cops be different? Or should we just accept they are incapable of reliably making correct decissions?

    Someone has to second guess their actions, as they won’t. Most are like t, stamping fully approved on all LE actions.

  25. Common Sense December 16, 2013 at 2:15 pm #

    Shawn,

    Perhaps were are talking about two different things.

    The DA wasn’t told by a judge to bring Gibson’s homicide to a grand jury. The grand jury is for serious and unique crimes. The evidence was put towards the jury who decided not to indict.

    The DA is up for re-election and Gillespie has declined to run for re-election.

  26. t December 16, 2013 at 2:33 pm #

    Shawn: Seriously guy….it’s not like tv. That’s ALL fake.

  27. Shawn December 16, 2013 at 2:33 pm #

    @Common

    Mine was an example mentioned earlier about a cop who did a hit and run on duty. Despite ample evidence, the DA tried to plea bargain it down to a couple mi.or charges.
    Judge said no and basically told the DA to do his job.
    DAs do play games like this.

  28. t December 16, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

    If the grand jury…..citizens BTW…didn’t think there was enough evidence to even just CHARGE the officer….that should scream something to you. The grand jury is the ultimate citizen reciew board. And you still don’t like it.

  29. Shawn December 16, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

    @T

    ” Shawn: Seriously guy….it’s not like tv. That’s ALL fake.”

    Correct. On tv, cops are noble people with a sense of right and wrong. Of course they aren’t like that in real life. You finally noticed this?

  30. t December 16, 2013 at 3:42 pm #

    Cute. Sad for you. But cute.

  31. Shawn December 16, 2013 at 4:33 pm #

    @t

    “If the grand jury…..citizens BTW…didn’t think there was enough evidence to even just CHARGE the officer”

    You are either ignoring, or missing the issue here. The grand jury only sees the evidence presented to them, and that was done in secret. We have no way to know if the DA even tried. And how many people do you think really believe a DA is really interested in convicting a cop? Knowing that other cops will target him.

    I just shared a story on a DA who ‘tried’ so hard to get a cop on a hit and run that the plea deal he wanted was for a couple minor misdemeanors, despite apparently plenty of evidence. One might suspect the DA had no intentions of seeking a real conviction. That may be only one incident, but it does show DAs can be motivated to throw the game.

  32. t December 16, 2013 at 5:00 pm #

    Oh….it’s a conspiracy then. My bad.

  33. t December 16, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

    Shawn:
    Have you ever been in a courtroom and sen what happens?

  34. certain December 16, 2013 at 6:34 pm #

    Where the fuck you see “secret grandpa jury” dim-bulb?

  35. t December 16, 2013 at 8:05 pm #

    Ok divert dude. Keep thinking that you’re thinking.

  36. Common Sense December 17, 2013 at 8:29 am #

    In Coco’s incident, apparently after calling in a “special prosecutor” to try the case, one that is not associated with Manchester PD or the county itself. The state ran into a time issue. The state must either run the grand jury or issue charges themselves within a certain time frame. The prosecutor requested a time extension which was granted but it seems the state opted to fore-go seating a grand jury and issued felony charges outright. In NH, either or both can happen, its up to the state.

    Coco then waived his prelim, which was probably a smart play, to deny the state a chance to peak at the defense’s hand. Then, between the waiver and a scheduled trial, the charges were knocked down from 2 felonies, to the misdemeanor(s).

    From what I gather, the state’s case isn’t a solid as perhaps they believe, to they want at least something on him vs risk a trial and have him walk away free and clear.

    You never bet on a jury. Between now and March, Coco will run half a dozen mock trials to prepare. He may very well be tried and convicted, or he may walk away a free man. It is a coin toss.

    To suggest that the out of town DA “tanked” the grand jury is a bit hard to believe. And remember, a grand jury is only there to determine if probable cause exists to issue an indictment.

  37. steve December 17, 2013 at 9:51 am #

    Grand Juries are notorious at letting cops off with murder.

  38. Shawn December 17, 2013 at 12:15 pm #

    @T

    ” Oh….it’s a conspiracy then. My bad.”

    Conspiracy, not likely in the dictionary sense. But I’ve seen numerous times how people know better than to start conflicts with a person, group or profession that has the power to affect them back. Like giving a ticket to an IRS agent.
    You can’t tell me that DAs don’t know cops can and will retaliate against a DA that puts their friend away, or tries to put them away. Far easier to wordlessly scratch each others’ backs than start something. And you’ve made it clear you don’t have a high opinion of lawyers, and a DA is a lawyer.

  39. t December 17, 2013 at 1:39 pm #

    “Numerous times”. K

    As proof of his nonsensical your concept is, allow me to direct you to this website called Cop Block.
    On that site they frequently posted articles about officers being arrested, charged, indicted, and convicted. Now SOMEONE investigates those officers. And SOMEONE arrests those officers. And some DA takes those cases to the grand jury. And some DA tries those cases. That very site….immediTely proves that you are very wrong.

    This case isn’t some secret incident. It happened in public. Lots of folks around. What evidence do you think the DA hid from the grand jury?

    Oh…and how do officers “retaliate” against a DA? More uneducated nonsense that you “learned” off of a movie or a tv show.

  40. steve December 17, 2013 at 3:59 pm #

    Why was an unarmed man sitting in a car shot to death? Grand juries are not ran like a regular jury, a prosecutor is in charge of questioning and the defendant or subject of the grand jury has no right to defense council. Many many cops have been let loose by a grand jury.

  41. steve December 17, 2013 at 4:00 pm #

    And not all crimes go before a grand jury.

  42. t December 17, 2013 at 10:11 pm #

    steve: that depends. Where I work the DA does nothing other than call in the witnesses. The juries themselves ask questions of each witness.

    Now really guys….getting a grand jury to indict doesn’t take much. The “defense” isn’t present. It’s all one sided. That’s why it’s is so telling that the grand jury didn’t indict. They’re nothing secret about this case…..which apparently you didn’t read anything about as he wasn’t shot just sitting in his car.

  43. RadicalDude December 18, 2013 at 12:49 am #

    You don’t need to prove a conspiracy to demonstrate collusion, or a conflict of interest. State prosecutor, state judge, state grand jury, state “peace”(violence, in non-orwellian terms) officers, any chance for conflict of interest or collusion?

  44. t December 18, 2013 at 6:43 am #

    RD: I will also point you to the website Cop Block to prove you wrong

  45. Ariel December 19, 2013 at 12:58 am #

    JQP,

    Cut and paste news is just that, a cut and paste. I’ve been on A1 of my state’s newspaper, and the report was just really bad in content. I also witnessed a death that was also badly reported (the whole timeline was reversed). A newspaper account isn’t gospel and shouldn’t be used as such. It’s a starting point not an end point.

    For chrissake, I’ve read newspaper reports of nitrogen as toxic and oxygen as flammable and explosive. Those are simple facts that they can’t get right. So they’re authoritative and definitive over what’s more complex?

  46. Ariel December 19, 2013 at 1:49 am #

    Okay, we’ve established that a grand jury can indict a ham sandwich (that phrase has been used by both prosecutors and defense). When they don’t indict, it does have real meaning.

    Now for the really silly argument: that people charged with enforcing the law and adjudicating the law, the only people that can because only they have the power (who the fuck else can do it, it’s a meaningless basis for an argument), actually enforce and adjudicate against their own means that they always do or effectively do, or don’t ignore offenses when they shouldn’t, or, in the case of prosecutors, don’t bring charges against LE when they would against non-LE, just doesn’t follow.

    In police terms, isolated incidents prove nothing.

  47. Ariel December 19, 2013 at 2:05 am #

    Another way of putting it, where I’m sure most of us would agree even though we don’t walk in their shoes and therefore really shouldn’t comment because we just don’t understand their job because we haven’t done it, when the medical profession occasionally punishes a really incompetent doctor do any of us think “accountability” as in the profession is truly accountable? Any cops want to make the claim in support of the medical profession? They are one fully accountable profession?

    I did the run-on for effect and the fun of poking at the usual arguments.

  48. John Q Public December 19, 2013 at 3:38 pm #

    Me posting stories from legit sites is way better than posting half stories and bullshit commentary like copblock does.

  49. t December 19, 2013 at 5:42 pm #

    JQP: he can’t deal!with the real truth / facts.
    Just read the second paragraph of his post at 149 am. I think he either had a break from reality or his 10th scotch.

  50. Jaf December 21, 2013 at 1:49 am #

    Only statement I see wrong is this:

    “You must have intent to commit a crime. There was no intent … It was police officers who were doing their job and a chain of events took place that led to (Gibson’s) death,” Collins said.

    An incorrect statement at best, since Involuntary Manslaughter is the “unintentional” killing of another human being, though still a crime.

    Since they tried for murder, I can see why no in indictment. At the least, this officer should be charged with Involuntary Manslaughter.

  51. certain December 21, 2013 at 7:21 pm #

    Ariel,

    Pure O2 (Oxygen) is very flammable and explosive. That’s what killed the Apollo astronauts who died in the capsule.

  52. Ariel December 21, 2013 at 7:27 pm #

    JPQ,

    One, you could quote and then link. When you become more verbose than me, you become even greater scroll-over country than I.

    Two, more pertinent, “legit sites”, really? You believe every news article is gospel? Just the facts. mam, all the facts and only the facts because it’s legit? I’ve had two personal experiences on that, and while anecdotal, which leave me skeptical. What are the odds…

    t.,

    It wasn’t my scotches, I wasn’t drinking, but maybe your beers and vodka (why do you drink beer and vodka together? Not on duty I hope, but there are cops…) got in the way of understanding a run-on sentence? Commas are your friend, vodka not so much. Take it clause by clause, a deep breath between for oxygenation to clear your head from the fog, and you might just get it.

    I had fun with a run-on with it’s crazy structure to deal with the craziness of the SOMEONE argument. A child’s argument, not a man’s.

    So, man-child, sit at my feet and cross those footie-bedecked legs, and peer up past my knees to my face and hear my words (no, man-child, don’t play with that while I speak to you): Man-child, who the fuck has the power to deal with police crimes but those who have the power to deal with crime, and just because they do look doesn’t mean they always do, or do a good job when they do, or even that they want to. Man-child, yes I ended your lesson with a preposition, however I hope as you grow-up you can understand that sometimes doesn’t mean always, or even most of the time, and that sometimes adults end sentences in prepositions. Life is uncertainty.

  53. Ariel December 21, 2013 at 7:44 pm #

    Certain,

    I hope that was tongue-in-cheek, and I get the sense it was a poke elsewhere.

    O2 is neither flammable or explosive. It wasn’t last year, or 4 billion years ago, nor will it be next year, or 4 billion years from now. It’s an oxidizer.

  54. certain January 12, 2014 at 2:07 am #

    You are dangerously ignorant. No O2 on it’s own, is not explosive nor flammable. However, oxygen-enriched atmospheres enhance combustion, lowering the LFL and increasing the UFL, and making otherwise non-explosive gas mixtures highly explosive.

  55. Ariel January 12, 2014 at 4:14 am #

    certain,
    Did I say anything about a dispersed fuel in a room or building? Or touch on LFL (for which I tested solvent mixtures routinely 25+ years ago) or UFL. It’s an oxidizer, increasing it’s concentration of course will have that effect. How many situations do we need to cover? How many ifs? Still, it’s an oxidizer, chlorine gas is an oxidizer, sulfuric above roughly 97% is an oxidizer (though I can’t remember if the heat evolved is sufficent to start a fire), I’m not afraid of them exploding. I am uncomfortable around chlorates and perchlorates.
    If I were in a room where some COPD sufferer was releasing his tank of 02 (what an “if”), and I smelled the natural gas odorant, I’d drag his sorry ass and mine out quickly.
    What I was directly referencing was the belief by too many that 02 on it’s own is explosive. Think of the hospital scene in Final Destination 2 where 02 is released, a wire sparks, and the room blows up. The room would have burned like hell rapidly, if the spark actually started something burning, but not as depicted. That was roughly at SATP and had no dispered fuels. From Wiki regarding same “accidentally detonating his room from oxygen combustion”. Nothing about how stupid that is.
    I do take offense being called dangerously ignorant on an “if” I didn’t bring up nor address. You could have simply asked, or made note.

  56. Ariel January 12, 2014 at 7:34 am #

    certain,
    Given I’m pissed off by your remark, and pointing out that the vast portion of living human beings would never experience a situation of oxygen-enrichment combined with a dispersed fuel, what drove you to start off with “dangerously ignorant”?
    Tangential, I left out oxygen toxicity at SATP and elevated pressures too.

  57. Lynn Boland March 13, 2014 at 11:10 am #

    Hello, friends. I would appreciate it if you would sign this petition for an independent investigation of the death of D’Andre Berghardt, who was unarmed when killed by a BLM ranger at Red Rock near Las Vegas recently.

    Thank you for your support.

    http://www.change.org/petitions/the-united-states-department-of-justice-initiate-a-federal-investigation-of-the-killing-of-d-andre-berghardt-jr-by-an-unnamed-bureau-of-land-management-ranger-near-red-rock-national-conservation-area-on-february-14-2014

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